{"id":5942,"date":"2011-06-25T16:46:45","date_gmt":"2011-06-25T20:46:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.moviepropcollectors.com\/magazine\/?p=5942"},"modified":"2012-08-29T18:19:36","modified_gmt":"2012-08-29T22:19:36","slug":"getting-facts-straight-the-debbie-reynolds-marilyn-monroe-dress","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.moviepropcollectors.com\/magazine\/getting-facts-straight-the-debbie-reynolds-marilyn-monroe-dress\/","title":{"rendered":"Fact: Debbie Reynolds Marilyn Monroe Subway dress 100% authentic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.moviepropcollectors.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/DebbieMMDress.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-10819\" title=\"DebbieMMDress\" src=\"http:\/\/www.moviepropcollectors.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/DebbieMMDress-300x201.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"201\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.moviepropcollectors.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/DebbieMMDress-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.moviepropcollectors.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/DebbieMMDress-445x300.jpg 445w, https:\/\/www.moviepropcollectors.com\/magazine\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/DebbieMMDress.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>I was one of the lucky people attending the <strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/ProfilesinHistory.com\" target=\"_blank\">Debbie Reynolds Collection Auction held by Profiles in History<\/a><\/em><\/strong> last weekend. While there were hundreds of one of a kind, important parts of Hollywood&#8217;s history on display and up for auction, one of the many standouts was the <strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.moviepropcollectors.com\/magazine\/2011\/06\/19\/profiles-in-historys-debbie-reynolds-auction-almost-23-million-in-sales\/\" target=\"_blank\">Marilyn Monroe Subway Dress <\/a><\/em><\/strong>worn in the film, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.imdb.com\/title\/tt0048605\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><em>The Seven Year Itch<\/em><\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Recently, without checking the facts with <em>all <\/em>parties involved, a few blogs published incorrect assumptions about the same <em>Subway<\/em> dress from the <em>Monroe<\/em> film.<\/p>\n<p>In the past I have stated and always will say, people need to get their facts 100% correct before speaking. That includes both written and verbal comments. Not doing so can\u00a0cause harm\u00a0to those being written or spoken about.<\/p>\n<p>After doing the proper research, I can state that the<em> Monroe Subway Dress <\/em>is, and always was, 100% authentic.<\/p>\n<p>Upon reading\u00a0the blogs in question, I contacted <em>Debbie Reynold&#8217;s <\/em>son,\u00a0<em>Todd Fisher, <\/em>and he was kind enough to take the time out of his busy weekend to set the record straight concerning the <em>Monroe<\/em> dress. I asked Todd if he heard about the questions raised and he said he had. Todd had no problem explaining to me the facts in the matter.<\/p>\n<p><em>Mr. Fisher<\/em> explained that <em>Miss Reynolds<\/em>, got this dress and other <em>Marilyn<\/em> dresses directly from <em>20th Century Fox <\/em>in the 1970&#8217;s. He was kind enough to provide a letter from <em>Gordon Stulberg <\/em>who was then\u00a0<em>President of 20th Century Fox <\/em>from 1971-1975.<\/p>\n<p><em>Mr. Stulberg<\/em> stated that he gave the authorization to <em>Fox<\/em> studio manager, <em>Bernie Baron<\/em>, to sell <em>Debbie<\/em> the <em>Fox<\/em> assets (the <em>Monroe<\/em> costumes, and others), at the time.<\/p>\n<p><em>Todd Fisher <\/em>also provided a letter from the <em>William Travilla Estate <\/em>which mentions an audio recording of the designer and creator of the subway dress, <em>William Travilla<\/em>, recorded in 1980 (which still exists), in\u00a0which<em> Travilla<\/em> states the following:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">\u201c<em>Debbie Reynolds has the original dress from The Seven Year Itch and after all these years it has changed colour slightly and some of the threads have all but gone\u201d.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">\u201c<em>Debbie is a woman that trusts me with everything but even when I borrowed the dress to make an exact copy she had someone watching while we opened some seams and carefully put them all back\u201d.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\">In the same letter\u00a0of authentification Andrew Hansford\u00a0from the Travilla Estate\u00a0says:<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong><em>&#8220;The reasons I know this dress is real:<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong><em>The fabric is exactly what Travilla says it was<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong><em>It is boned in the bust area and shaped to Marilyn\u2019s dress (this is very clear to see from pictures)<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong><em>The bodice is hand pleated and hand stitched into place, not just pleated like the skirt.<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">&#8220;<\/span><\/em><\/strong><em> <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>In the 1980&#8217;s <em>Mr. Travilla <\/em>asked <em>Debbie Reynolds<\/em> if he could borrow the dress so he could\u00a0make a\u00a0pattern of it as the\u00a0original pattern was destroyed in a fire.<em> <\/em><strong><em> <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Miss Reynolds<\/em> agreed, and <em>Mr. Travilla <\/em>took measurements, opened some seams\u00a0and repaired a few small areas to preserve the dress\u00a0so <em>Miss Reynolds<\/em> could\u00a0display it.<\/p>\n<p>The audio quote from <em>William Travilla <\/em>stating, &#8220;<em>Debbie Reynolds has the original dress from The Seven Year Itch&#8221;, <\/em>answers any question or concern as\u00a0to the authenticity of the dress. Plain and simple. Since <em>Mr Travilla<\/em> designed and created the dress\u00a0 he would be the person to recognize one of his creations.<\/p>\n<p>Collectors should\u00a0note that the dress was re used by another actress, <em>Roxanne Arlen<\/em>, in the 1962 film <em>Bachelor Flat<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 210px;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/gN4nH3WeUlM\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>In many films, when a costume is used by another actress or actor,\u00a0the clothing is adjusted to fit that\u00a0actress\u00a0\/actor. This would explain why the dress\u00a0is slightly shorter and the hem adjusted.<\/p>\n<p>As a matter of fact, I am aware of two other <em>Monroe<\/em> costumes that were re purposed.<\/p>\n<p><em>Marilyn&#8217;s green <\/em>costume from the 1956 film, <strong><em>Bus Stop<\/em><\/strong>, was later used by <em>Leslie Caron<\/em> in the film <strong><em>The Man Who Loved Women.<\/em><\/strong> The costume was re-purposed for <em>Miss Caron<\/em> in the film.<\/p>\n<p>The same thing was done for <em>Marilyn&#8217;s<\/em> showgirl costume from, <strong><em>River of No Return<\/em><\/strong>. This costume was created by <em>Helen Rose <\/em>for <strong><em>Betty Grable<\/em><\/strong> as &#8220;Kate Farley&#8221; in the &#8220;Cuddle Up a Little Closer&#8221;, from the film <strong><em>Coney Island<\/em><\/strong>, (1943).<\/p>\n<p>It was later re-purposed by <em>Travilla<\/em> for <em>Marilyn Monroe&#8217;s<\/em> use in the climatic ending scene in <em>River of No Return<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Adjusting and re-purposing costumes\u00a0is\u00a0common practice in the film industry.<\/p>\n<p>The <em>Profiles in History<\/em> catalog does have the following comment on page 5 of their auction catalog mentioning this.*<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Important Note To Prospective Bidders and Disclaimer<\/strong><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>&#8220;<span style=\"color: #ffcc00;\">Many of the items featured have been modified for subsequent productions and may differ in certain aspects from the production as listed in the catalog description<\/span>&#8220;.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In conclusion, when asked what he hoped for the new owners of the <em>Monroe<\/em> dress, <em>Todd Fisher<\/em> had this to say:<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>&#8220;Hopefully the new owners of the Subway dress will take great care of it as we have, and it will always be for future generations&#8221;<\/strong>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The original publisher of the article questioning the Monroe dress, Scott Fortner, is supposed to be updating his article soon. Please remember that people sometimes make mistakes and should be given a fair chance to correct them. Unfortunately, some bloggers (not Mr. Fortner), repeatedly and recklessly publish misleading and false articles in order to increase their web site traffic. Those bloggers are the ones that people should avoid.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Scott&#8217;s site can be found here:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/themarilynmonroecollection.blogspot.com\/2011\/06\/monroe-frock-fetches-millions-but-was.html\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Marilyn Monroe Blog<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><small><em>Photo of Debbie from the 1980&#8217;s courtesy Todd Fisher and Debbie Reynolds.<\/em><\/small><\/p>\n<p><small><em><strong>*<\/strong>added after article first published.<strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/em><\/small><\/p>\n<iframe id=\"basic_facebook_social_plugins_likebutton\" src=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/like.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviepropcollectors.com%2Fmagazine%2Fgetting-facts-straight-the-debbie-reynolds-marilyn-monroe-dress%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=false&amp;width=&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" allowTransparency=\"true\" style=\"border:none; overflow:hidden; width:px; height:25px\"><\/iframe>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; I was one of the lucky people attending the Debbie Reynolds Collection Auction held by Profiles in History last weekend. 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